Beyond the Buzzword: A Real Talk on Wellness with Dr. Misty Rea

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Okay, well, welcome back to the Reliably Well podcast. I am Libbo Crosswhite and I am usually behind the scenes on this podcast. But today we’ve decided to give Dr. Johnsey and Dr. Abraham an episode off and the estrogen levels are going to be high on this podcast. It is my distinct honor and privilege ⁓ to have our conversation today. It’s one that’s near and dear to my heart. It’s one that is also near and dear to our distinguished guest. ⁓

And this has been really fun to get to know Dr. Ray. She is going to be with us this morning. Truly, she’s been a guiding light for me as I learn the ins and outs of Relias and how to support our clinicians. She’s a leader in our Tupelo Emergency Department. She’s an incredibly gifted provider. But I think she would tell you even more than that. She is a physician, a mom, and deeply human. And it’s…

been a beautiful example for me of what it means to be all of those things. So this morning we’re talking about wellness and not just the buzzword version, but the kind that I believe and I believe that Dr. Ray believes will sustain us when life and work can feel heavy. Dr. Ray’s honesty and wisdom have challenged me both professionally and personally, and it’s also deeply encouraged me. And that’s our hope for this morning.

So wherever you are driving around, rounding, or maybe finally sitting down for a second, we hope that this conversation feels like a deep exhale and a reminder that caring for others is also ⁓ starts with caring for yourself. So Dr. Ray, welcome. We would love to hear just from you. What’s your story? What does that ⁓ mean to you? And ⁓ share some wisdom with us.

I appreciate that introduction. is beautiful. It makes me feel incredible about myself. So thank you. ⁓ So I don’t have a very exciting story. You know, I grew up here in about 45 minutes away. I’m the first person in my family to go to college. had absolutely no idea what I was getting into to go into medicine. ⁓ My dad gave me two choices. He said that he would pay for me to go to school if I was a doctor or a lawyer.

and those were my only two choices. so 50-50 shot, I ended up in the medical field, but I had no idea. I don’t have any family members who are providers, and so I had no idea what I was getting into. So this has been an interesting, I guess, journey for me. I went to college at Ole Miss and medical school in Jackson and did my…

residency in New Orleans, I ended up liking everything, but I didn’t love anything. And our dean was an emergency medicine provider and said, hey, why don’t you go to the ER? You get to do a little bit of everything. And so that’s how I ended up here. And I think probably in retrospect, like my personality is not well suited for the ER in that I love organization and I love consistency. And it’s not at all what we have in the emergency department, but even so.

as many opportunities as there are to complain about what we do. I do love my job and I can’t imagine doing anything else. Yeah, I love that. And I love how ⁓ you can look back now and see how much of your story has led you to exactly where you are. And I’ve gotten to see you in action. I know what a gift you are. You know, one of the things that has always struck me as interesting for you is primarily a ⁓ night shift provider.

Talk a little bit about what that kind of rhythm has been like for you as a night shift provider. So that’s gotten definitely more and more difficult as I get older. I think there’s a certain personality that’s drawn to night shift and I like that. so it originally started though as a means to be more present for my kids so I could work all night and then I could sleep while they were at daycare or

you know, at school and still be there for drop off and still be there for pickup. And if they ever needed me during the day, I was available. I could be there, you know, I may go without sleep, but I could be there and never had to give up or try to work around time for them. So that’s kind of how it started out and it just continued because I love night shift. I think that it’s beating my body up pretty bad as any other provider would tell you, but I think the benefits outweigh the risk, at least for right now.

We talk a lot on this podcast about our Relias passions. We have five passions, people, innovation, quality, value, and excellence. I’d be curious to hear from your perspective as someone who really has been with Relias since day one. Which of those resonates the most with you and why? People, without a doubt, we have the most eclectic and fantastical group of personalities here.

It’s interesting because some of us are just complete polar opposites. We all do the same thing, but we have so much in common, yet there are so many differences. But there is a mutual respect among the providers here that I think is just incredibly unique to this organization. And props to Dr. Johnsey and to Luke for putting that together because they really do foster a culture of respect.

and community. And even though there are significant differences and we have some very huge personalities, That everybody comes together and is very supportive. And I think that’s really unique to this organization. It is for sure been really incredible to see an action that it’s not just words on paper, but that at the end of the day, we really deeply care about the people that we get a chance to serve and the people that we get to do life with. So that’s awesome.

I would love to know too, you think back on your story, you think back on your life, who are some of those influences that have shaped the view that you have of the world and then maybe even a little bit of how you best understand ⁓ wellness or just the job in general? ⁓ I think probably my kids. And I know that’s kind of a, ⁓ every parent, right, you change when you have kids.

Time management obviously changes, your priorities change, your motivation changes. But it’s changed in a way for me over the past couple of years that I guess I didn’t expect. When you have kids, you know that they’re gonna need you for food, clothing, but they need you in a different way as they grow up, which has been really, I think, interesting. It kind of becomes this litmus test for how you make decisions because my kids are getting older now, they’re 11 and 14, and they’re turning into these little people with

with personalities and it amazes me to talk with them because they have this really, this emotional intelligence that just blows me away sometimes and it really, it makes me wanna be a better person. It makes me wanna be a better example. And it’s not just when I’m in front of them. When I’m at work, I think it helps me be more compassionate because everybody that you come into contact with, right, that’s somebody’s kid. And you start to see, I guess, the humanity in other people.

and see them, try to at least see them through the lens of someone that you love so much, you know? And I think that in making personal decisions, sometimes it’s difficult to be objective because we all have that inner critic or we hold ourselves sometimes to impossible standards. And so when we’re making decisions for ourselves, I think that it can be difficult to be objective.

in that way and to really want and try to see the best for ourselves. But I think when you can view that through the lens of someone that you love so much, it allows you to be, to make decisions in a loving way and in a way that is best, right? Because sometimes we make decisions for our kids that are not easy, right? And sometimes we have to be the parent, we’re not the favorite. Sometimes they have to…

We have to be responsible. have to, you know, we make decisions that may not make us the favorite, but we make decisions that we feel are the best for the people that we love. And so trying to view things in that point of being the best possible example for the two people that I love most in the world, I think has made the biggest difference for me. Yeah. And, know, as I’m hearing you talk, I think one of the things that we both have kind of talked about before as our kids get older is that

You move into this stage of physical exhaustion when they’re first born, trying to figure out how to get them to sleep through the night, trying to figure out how to make it through the day from a physical exhaustion. And then you move into this kind of emotional exhaustion that takes place. you realize, well, I am bringing a human into the world and I’m also responsible for caring and loving them and showing them what it means to be human. So it’s interesting to hear you say that you ⁓

can sense that emotional intelligence of your children, because I have to take the chance to affirm you that they learn that from you. They’re watching us at all times, which is terrifying and also a great calling at the same time. ⁓ And so it really is interesting and encouraging when you start to see some of those great qualities in your kids. We are our own worst critic and we’re never gonna give ourselves credit for that. But the truth is, that, ⁓

I imagine anyone that’s listening to this podcast that has the weight of a deeply meaningful job and then goes home to a deeply meaningful job and calling of raising humans, we don’t give ourselves enough credit for what we’re attempting to do. We’re certainly gonna criticize and be ready to give ourselves the criticism, but very often we forget to give ourselves the praise sometimes too.

Well, thank you for saying that. is a beautiful way to look at it because it is difficult to not, you know, just see the bad or to approach it in a sense of almost like panic or pressure. You know, that it’s adding to the pressure. And sometimes when you can flip the script and it’s an opportunity, right? It’s an opportunity for self-improvement. It’s an opportunity to be human. Like there is nothing that will

promote a sense of humility and humanity like being a parent. There’s nothing that will make you more ⁓ aware of your coming than being a parent. But if you can spin it in a way that everybody’s growing together, right? And that’s what I told my kids, like, this is my first time. They don’t give us manually. It’s our first time doing this. We’re going to do the best we can with what we have. But it has really been ⁓ my interest in wellness.

was heavily influenced by creating a better environment, creating better life skills for my kids, for my family. Because when you realize that their belief systems, like their belief, how they view the world, how they experience the world, it really comes from you. Like it comes from the way that they’re raised. It comes from the influences around them. And often that happens before we even realize it. You know, by the time there’s seven, eight,

nine years old, they form these belief systems that will have a significant impact on the way that their lives go. And that’s a lot of pressure, but it’s also a huge opportunity, I think, to be better in ourselves and to be better examples for our kids. Yeah. And I think that’s a great transition. think, you know, as we talk about parenting, we also can see the similarities in wellness of a passive approach versus an active approach.

⁓ you know, it’s not just going, wellness is not just going to happen to you. ⁓ you really have to seek it and you have to be intentional. And sometimes that’s the hardest part. When I first met you back in the summer, ⁓ I don’t know if you remember it as distinctly as I do, but it was probably my favorite Starbucks conversation I’ve ever had. ⁓ didn’t know Dr. Ray, ⁓ at all and really had just Luke had connected us and said, Hey, I think y’all would enjoy, ⁓ connecting on wellness, connecting on Relias. ⁓ just.

being human and an hour and a half later, thought, I want to be your best friend. This is my friend. I’m so excited. ⁓ you are my one of the things that ⁓ we talked about was the ⁓ upcoming conference that you had at that point, the outcomes conference, which you had been invited to speak in and ever truly since then, ever since then, I’ve had multiple people say, yeah, have you heard about Dr. Ray’s wellness talk? And so ⁓

This was a great opportunity to have you on the podcast and to kind of hear from you the heart behind the talk and also some of the things that you felt like were really important for the listeners in the room, but also the listeners of the podcast. It grew out of a, I guess, a common interest. Our CMO, Dr. Blanchard, I’ve served on a couple of committees with him and he knew that I kind of have an interest in this and invited me to speak, which I was very nervous about because I’m not a speaker, but I kind of just

jumped at the opportunity because I feel like there’s a growing need for an awareness around wellness. And not because I’m like good at it or because I have it all figured out, but because I have struggled with it. And a couple of years ago, everybody’s life fell apart during the pandemic. And then I had some personal things that came up on

top of that and it was a real opportunity to just reevaluate, you know, and I kind of got interested in the science behind it. Like what is it that really makes us happy as humans? How do we stress better? cannot, we cannot avoid stress in life. So how do we do that better? What’s the science behind it? Not what is the new Instagram craze? Not as what, not what is this celebrity saying about how to be happy? You know, but what is the science behind it?

And so I started just studying that and got very interested in mindfulness and the ability to be present and how important that is. And, you know, things like gratitude, compassion, especially self-compassion, how important our relationships are. I didn’t, you you know that it’s important, but I didn’t realize how impactful it is, scientifically speaking, that…

The Harvard study on adult development is the longest running study in history. And it’s like an 85, 87 year longitudinal study that is ongoing. And they’ve consistently shown that the nature of our relationships is the key to human happiness. So, kind of trying to come up with ways that we can, as you said, take control of our own wellness.

We can’t control our circumstances. I think we all experienced that when COVID happened. It was just a complete dissolution of our sense of control. think everything was out of control at that point. And we all experienced that together. And so to experience that and really figure out a way to, how can I still maintain my humanity? How can I still be happy in spite of my circumstances?

Where is my agency? Like, what is it that I have control over? And in a lot of ways, especially in medicine and especially in emergency medicine, we can’t control our circumstances. We can’t control the outcomes. We can’t control what comes through the door or what administration asks of us. So really digging in and finding what we can control, I think, has been transformative for me. And it’s been very empowering. And it’s something that I wanted to share with

with other people and it’s things that kind of everybody knows but when you lay it out there and look at the science behind it, it’s encouraging to know that you can have that difference. So sometimes the only thing we can change is our perspective, you know, or our attitude. That may be the only thing that we have control over but that simple change and exerting that control over what we can control is, I mean, it is, it’s transformative. It can completely change.

the experience and externally things look the same. You know, you’re still dealing with chaos sometimes you’re still dealing with circumstances that you can’t control other people’s actions that you can’t control. But it’s the internal experience that changes and that has been profound for me. Yeah. And I would love to hear from you because I think there’s probably so many people that are listening to this and saying, yes, that’s, that’s exactly what I’m missing. And typically the followup is, but how.

If you were to have kind of one, hey, one tangible takeaway of what does it not only look like to change your perspective, but how do I do that? ⁓ Any advice there? think probably the very, if I could, if I could narrow it down to one thing, it’s believing that you can and knowing that you can, because there are a lot of steps involved. There’s a lot of things that have to change is hard. And there’s a lot of things that.

that you have to change about the way that you think about belief systems. Like we talked about earlier, a lot of us come, you know, we have these beliefs about people, about ourselves, about our world that we have to challenge. And we have to become aware of those beliefs for one thing and then challenge them and be open to the fact that maybe, maybe this is not the way that I think it is. Maybe the story that I’m telling myself about the circumstance isn’t really reality.

And there’s a freedom in that. is an immense freedom in that to change the way that you experience things. And so I think the biggest difference for me was starting a mindfulness practice, which is off-putting to some people because it’s, you know, people think it’s like Buddhism and that you’re sitting on you know, on a mountain into the chanting or something. It’s not, it’s not like that. It’s very, it’s very simple, but just becoming aware, trying to be more present.

trying to become aware of what it is that you’re feeling and making it a point to engage in elevated emotions, whether that’s gratitude or compassion or self-compassion. And it’s not that you don’t experience the negative, right? I get angry, I get frustrated. You can ask anybody that works with me. I get irritated. I’m like venting at the nurse’s station and I have a bit of a potty mouth that I think everybody is fully aware of. you know, I guess the point is that you can still feel those things, but not become those things.

You can feel anger without becoming anger. You can feel frustration without becoming frustrated. And that’s just really empowering. And it’s a subtle shift. It doesn’t happen all of a sudden. You don’t just like wake up one day and everything is sunshine and lollipops and rainbows. But if you work at it, can just change the whole experience. I think to your point, I think it’s so important as someone who can really, really get down on myself very easily.

I’ve had to remind myself that it is quite literally not only a daily practice, but very similar to muscle memory. Nobody goes into the gym saying, I’m going to try one time to lift 300 pounds. And if it doesn’t work, then I guess I’m just done for. It’s slow. It’s incremental. It’s small. And there are some days you wake up and you feel like this is helping. And then they wake up the next day and it’s like, ⁓ I’m right back to where I was. But allowing yourself to put one foot in front of the other.

Wellness is not big and it’s not to be achieved. think sometimes there’s this sense kind of to your point of the Instagram celebrity kind of idea. is a daily kind of grind. ⁓ And also I think the best way to achieve it is to realize you’re not going to achieve it. That there is this very real sense that each and every day I wake up and some days I have a good day and some days I have a bad day and that’s okay.

Yes, and I could not agree more and recognizing that. Thank you for bringing that up, because I think that is hugely important. It’s not something you arrive at. It’s a daily decision. And, you know, I think the successes are realizing when you’re not being mindful, realizing when you are. That’s not a failure. That’s a success. It’s snapping out of the program, right? It’s it’s it’s stepping into the moment when you realize.

hey, I’ve just like completely flown off the handle. Let me gather myself and come back to it. That’s a success, right? That’s not a failure. That’s a movement in a positive direction. And being able to flip the script and look at it in that way as this is an opportunity and hey, I just did a good thing as opposed to concentrating on our failures, which to your point is very easy to do. It’s very easy to just listen to the inner critic all the time. But that’s where the success is. And you’re right. Some days you wake up and

I saw a meme one time, it’s like, you know, some days kindness is free and some days you’re like, well, how much is it to be an angel? That’s also free or can Venmo, you know, whatever. And some days you feel like it, the success is starting over. The success is coming back to it. And as I said, the belief that you can, you know, the belief that things can be different and will be different. So yes, that’s what you said is beautifully put and I could not agree with you more.

To your point of connecting, it’s this idea that when you have people in your world where you can pick up the phone or see them on shift and say, hey, I’m not having a great day. I’m frustrated. I need a minute. There’s this connection that happens when you look to the left of you and the right of you and you realize, hey, we’re all in this together quite literally. not to oversimplify it, but

you need people in your world you can tell the truth to and that you’re not feeling like you have to be some performance achieved version of yourself, that you can be the a-hole in front of them and they can call it out and say, hey, remember kindness is free. And you’re like, well, it costs a lot of money for today. Today is very expensive. Very expensive day. But yes, and that is also that that ability to be vulnerable with each other and to be

as you said, to be human, right? To call it what it is. Hey, I lost my temper and I’m not gonna sit here and try to justify it. I’m gonna accept that I’m human and humans do that sometimes. And then I’m go on about my day, ability to show self-compassion, to show compassion to others and to be human. You know, we’re not perfect. And the need to be perfect is so much pressure.

and the need to hide the parts of yourself that you don’t approve of necessarily, that’s just, that’s exhausting. And to surround yourself with people and with an attitude of, hey, I’m human, we’re all human, and this is what we got. We live in an imperfect world. so that…

connection and having those people is immensely important. Yeah, and I would love to hear your perspective. You talk about this kind of performance and also the pressure that I imagine all of us are under, but especially ⁓ clinicians that are stepping into an emergency department, having people in pain come to them and rely on them.

having in their mind kind of what they think their experience is going to be and the pressure that I imagine clinicians are under to meet that expectation. So what do you think has been the biggest challenge to not just clinician wellness, but really having kind of the conversations or finding the community to be able to say, I’m not the best version of myself, you know, right now in this moment? Yeah, I think that probably the concept of vulnerability, I think,

because the things that we talked about earlier as being the scientifically supported means of happiness, like mindfulness or gratitude or compassion, self-compassion, relationship, those things require vulnerability. is an integral component to those values. But our system, the medical system, think especially emergency medicine is not conducive to being vulnerable. From the time that we decide

to go into this, are basically pitted against each other, right? There’s not a sense of community, there’s a sense of competition and you compete against each other for the spot in medical school, for the clerkship, for the residency, for the fellowship, to get the paper published. Whatever it is, we’re really made to be in competition with each other and competition, as you can imagine, is an enemy to vulnerability. And we are so heavily scrutinized by ourselves. Again, we all…

I we shouldn’t say all, I do feel that most people have this inner critic, this ongoing dialogue. We’re so heavily scrutinized both internally and externally. We’re held to these sometimes inachievable standards and we have these metrics that we’re constantly measured against. And it’s so frustrating because if you look at any given metric,

half of all providers are going to function below average because that’s how numbers work and yet here we are, know, doing things that do not promote excellence. They promote competition, they promote judgment and criticism and those are all enemies to vulnerability. So it creates this cognitive dissonance between needing to be vulnerable in order to achieve our own personal happiness and well-being, yet living in a work

living and working in a system that does not promote it and does not support it. And I think that that’s a really difficult thing to overcome because it’s viewed, I think, as a sense of weakness, that there’s a weakness in vulnerability when nothing could be further from the truth. requires an immense strength, I think, to be vulnerable. But we just live and work in a system that doesn’t support it.

You know, and it’s interesting because a lot of the conversations I’ve had ⁓ either with really with any human, but particularly clinicians. And I have a few of my former students that are currently M1s or M2s and kind of beginning the process of med school. And one of the themes that kind of, you know, I hear often is, we never learned how to care for ourselves. We spent years and years and decades learning how to care for other people.

⁓ But sometimes it was at the expense of ourselves. Sometimes it was at the expense of, like you said, community with one another because there was always this underlying competition. So I would love, I think this is a perfect opportunity for you to kind of have the conversation and share a little bit behind the connecting point idea that, ⁓ you know, we’ve kind of begun at Tupelo and hope to kind of bring to other sites because I do think it’s kind of the

the anecdote to that idea of competition, kind of the opposite of that would be the connection. So share a little bit about Connecting Point. Yeah, I appreciate that you, I appreciate the work that you do, right? Because you came in and promote a sense of well-being here and that is such a huge component. And so I think we talked together about ways that we could foster a sense of community and have

started getting together after our ⁓ monthly meeting and just going for coffee and for breakfast. And it may be 10 or 11 of us that just sit around and just chat. Nobody’s coding, right? Nobody’s shot behind us. It’s just a chance to come and be human and what’s going on in your life. And we’re literally sitting there sharing travel tips and parenting tips and just getting to experience one another as

humans and as friends because that is so important. When you look at the amount of time that we work, like our waking hours and the amount of time that we spend with the people that we work together, it’s 25, 30 % of our lives are spent with these people. And having that, you know, that relationship, that mutual respect is so important and just having that time to

connect I think is foundational and it changes our work experience. think it changes our inner experience and to the point of all these scientific studies, it changes our level of happiness when we have those relationships. And so I appreciate you working so hard to make that happen and giving us the opportunity to do it and to Dr. Johnsey for being supportive of it as well because I know it helps me out tremendously and I love and look forward to that time.

So hopefully it’s something that we can continue to do and maybe get to other sites as well, because I think it’s been really beneficial here. Yeah, I think that’s the goal. And I think it also, you know, kind of speaks to this idea, you know, when you talk about individual wellness, but also collective wellness, that it’s not a one time talk. It’s not a one time, you know, social media post that’s going to cure all. It’s these small micro moments of connection and starting to see people as people.

knowing that you’re going to step into a stressful situation and there’s going to be decisions that have to be made. And it’s all about balancing those stressful moments with connection moments. oftentimes it really goes back to this whole idea of

the one-to-one conversations and connections. It’s how we were wired. It’s what we’re made for. And our world does every and anything it can to do the opposite. Like let’s isolate, let’s go as fast as we can, let’s move forward, let’s compete, let’s compare. And I think we’re all just longing to connect. And so it’s really cool to watch that happen ⁓ at Tupelo. And I think y’all have seen that it’s been enjoyable

for each other and ⁓ just a consistent connection offering opportunity. Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. do think that it makes it just it makes a difference and it does foster community and that connection because you’re right. The world is not designed to to help us improve our well-being by connection, right? That doesn’t improve our economy. That doesn’t.

that doesn’t allow for, you know, for ⁓ sidel influence when you do that. So we’re definitely steered away from those things and kind of taking that back, I think is really important and really impactful in a wellness practice. And it is, as you said, they’re very simple things that we can do. They can be sometimes hard to be consistent on, but it pays off. Every little bit pays off. Every little bit goes in that bank.

just to build up your reserve, to build up your resilience. And it’s just, it’s very important. And, know, as we wrap up, I could, I could talk for hours and hours with Dr. Ray and I really do appreciate your valuable time. I would love to hear from you. What gives you hope when it comes to the future of clinician wellness, your own wellness, just kind of wellness in general? What gives you hope? think it’s conversations like these, you know, just an awareness, bringing it to the forefront.

talking about it, talking about our own humanity, about our own personal struggles, trying to drop this veil of perfection or of independence or… It’s having moments and bringing it to forefront and making it okay. It’s okay to be vulnerable. It’s okay to show that weakness and or not necessarily weakness, that just vulnerability to show our weak spots and to rely on others for support, I think is…

important and it allows us to build those relationships and those connections. And I think also there is ⁓ a movement in our system and hopefully in the system as a whole towards the humanity of wellness and not just the performative nature of wellness such that when we’re working to be more resilient it really is about quality of life and not so that we can work harder and faster and complain less and that we really start to look at providers as humans and not as commodities.

And that shift in the paradigm, I think, can have far reaching effects. Yeah, that’s beautiful. That’s the hope. the desire is this sense. I think if Dr. Johnsey and Dr. Abraham were here, that’s the hope of this podcast is that we can share stories so that, you know, at the end of the day, there’s this sense we feel a little less alone, a little less disconnected. I’ve read multiple studies that talk about

really from not just a clinician understanding, but really probably for all of us is the idea of our workload and the amount of money that we make and the frustrations in our job. Oftentimes it’s the disconnection that’s actually making us unhappy. We’d love to blame other things because that would be easier. It’d be easier to be paid more money. It’d be easier to work less. It’d be easier to get rid of the coworkers that bug us.

But ultimately what’s causing us to not find that fulfillment is the disconnection. So any opportunity we have to connect is a powerful one. I’d love to kind of end with this question and it wasn’t on the list, so I hope that you’re okay with this. It’s a little off script. What would you say to the people that have made it this far in this podcast episode that…

just need to be encouraged, whether they’re a clinician, whether they’re just a human being that’s listening to this. What ounce of encouragement would you give them as we wrap up? who was it? William James said, if you can change your mind, you can change your life. That there really is, we just, can’t control our circumstances many times, but we can absolutely control our experience. And there’s so much, an unbelievable amount of power.

in that, I think. So in a situation, in a world where we often feel helpless or trapped, sometimes even hopeless, knowing that, that we have agency over our attitude and over our experience, it’s work, but it’s worth it. That’s beautiful.

Well, Dr. Ray, it truly has been an honor and a joy to have you this morning. I would be remiss not to tell ⁓ our audience that Dr. Ray is joining us on our Reliasol Mission Vision Trip. So she is heading to Africa in a couple of weeks, really next week, essentially at this point, at the time of recording. So we appreciate her willingness to be a part of that vision trip. ⁓ And I’m hopeful that that will allow for some reconnection. ⁓

with yourself, reconnection with the work that you do that’s incredibly impactful and important. ⁓ And we just appreciate your time this morning and hope and challenge all of us to be well and to truly kind of begin that process of reaching out for those that ⁓ are a part of Relias. That is the joy and honor of what I get to do here is to hopefully enhance the experience of our people.

So maybe it’s reaching out to our chief people person, or maybe it’s reaching out to a friend or trusted family member, trusted person to begin that process of connecting. And that is our hope for this morning. So thank you, Dr. Ray. Thank you. Thank you so much for all you do. Thank you.

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